In a 60 Minutes segment called “The Future of Money,” Lesley Stahl investigates the power of M-PESA:
“Tech giants like Google, Facebook, and PayPal are all steadily rolling out new-fangled services to turn our smartphones into digital wallets — replacing cash and checks. And it’s been reported that Apple is working on a new payment option to let iPhone users send money directly to one another — as easily as a text message.
If this all seems cutting edge, you may be surprised to learn there’s one country that adopted mobile money years ago: Kenya. Here in the U.S., we can use smartphones to pay for things, but you typically need to be linked to a bank account or credit card. In Kenya, you don’t need a bank account, you don’t need a credit history, or very much money for that matter, making this country in East Africa a giant experimental laboratory defining the future of money.”
Lesley also dives into the operation of M-PESA and the ability to utilize M-PESA on low end mobile phones:
“Lesley Stahl: How sophisticated is the phone that you use for M-PESA? Is it a smartphone?
Bob Collymore: No, it’s the cheapest phone you can have. It was designed to work at the lowest level of technology.
To get this currency you go to an M-PESA kiosk. I give the agent 3,000 shillings — about $30 in cash, and she converts it to virtual currency on my account.
Lesley Stahl: This is pretty easy. It’s not like opening a bank account.
There are 85,000 agents like her across Kenya, creating a giant grid of human ATMs. For most this is a side business: so a pharmacy will sell M-PESA or a roadside spice shop; this barber will give you a shave and M-PESA. And, yes, you can even buy M-PESA here.
Bob Collymore: This is bankless banking.
Lesley Stahl: You don’t need all those branches.
Bob Collymore: You don’t need the branches.
Lesley Stahl: You don’t need the ATMs, windows.
Bob Collymore: Absolutely not.
Scrolling down the options on the phone menu: you can send money, withdraw cash, pay a bill, or buy goods and services. And everyone uses a PIN number for security. But this is not like paying with your smartphone in the U.S., because our devices are linked to a bank account or credit card. Most Kenyans who use M-PESA don’t have a bank account: the phone is it.”
The interview then moved to a discussion of how M-PESA delivers tremendous value to the poor:
“We were surprised at how much M-PESA has changed life for the poor. In a slum called Kanaani, south of Nairobi, we met a pig farmer, Stephen Wainaina Waweru. Before M-PESA, like most Kenyans, he had no electricity. He used to rely on a kerosene lamp for light:
Stephen Wainaina Waweru: It gives smokes here.
It emitted toxic fumes, could cause fires, and at $200 a year, kerosene wasn’t cheap. But Stephen recently upgraded. He got solar power, and his first light bulb.
Lesley Stahl: Pretty good. It’s lighting your room.
Stephen Wainaina Waweru: Yes. It lights the room all over.
A company called M-KOPA Solar invented a way to provide inexpensive power to the slums using M-PESA.
Lesley Stahl: So where is the panel? Is it up here?
Stephen Wainaina Waweru: Yeah the panel is up there.
Lesley Stahl: Can you show it to me?
Stephen Wainaina Waweru: Yeah, I can. See, up. Lemme show you. Here it is!
Lesley Stahl: Oh my goodness, it’s little.
The unit costs about $180 – less than kerosene but still out of Stephen’s price range for a single purchase.
But he paid only $35 upfront and then 40 cents a day in M-PESA for a year. And he never has to leave the farm: all he does is click his phone, which activates a chip attached to the panel to turn it on.
Lesley Stahl: When you’re finished paying it off–
Stephen Wainaina Waweru: It shall be mine. No more cost.
The solar panel has changed his life: he can tend to his pigs at night and his children can study indoors without breathing toxic kerosene fumes.
Past efforts to introduce solar panels to the slums failed, in part, because they were stolen. This has been solved because the same chip that turns the panel on can also disable it.
Lesley Stahl: So if you don’t pay up, they turn your lights off? They have the ability to turn ev-
Stephen Wainaina Waweru: These guys, they are excellent, Madame. Because once I don’t pay, they don’t have to come to me. The light just goes off!
Providing drinking water is another way M-PESA is making a difference. Nearly a third of Kenyans do not have access to clean water, often relying on a river or water trucked in by donkey.
But the village of Njogu-ini got a new pump for its well. Villagers pay for clean water by texting M-PESA to this meter box — which unlocks the pump. A villager can get a full month’s worth of water for around $6.”
With all of the benefits made clear the discussion inevitably moved to the question of why a similar service isn’t available in the US today. The response laid the problem squarely at the feet of banks who were characterized as lacking innovation and blocking disruption with a strong lobbying effort. Not one mention was made of how M-PESA falls far afield of existing US government regulations, such as the Bank Secrecy Act, which is applied uniformly and has also limited availability of bitcoin:
“For decades, development advocates implored banks to open branches in remote places, but it made little business sense: nearly half of Kenyans live on just $2 a day or less. Their financial transactions were just too small.
Bob Collymore: People don’t buy a packet of cigarettes. They’ll buy a cigarette. And so we need to be operating at that level. People don’t buy a tube of toothpaste. If you go into the slums, you will see people buy a squeeze of toothpaste. And so you have to operate at that micro level.
Lesley Stahl: Now, how can that be viable for you as a company? It’s like they have no money.
Bob Collymore: Because we believe that if we have now 19 million people transacting small amounts, making small amounts, it will add up. For each transaction, there is a small fee.
Lesley Stahl: How much money annually does Safaricom make from M-PESA in Kenya?
Bob Collymore: A quarter of a billion dollars.
Lesley Stahl: A quarter of a billion dollars?
Bob Collymore: Yeah. You don’t have to be greedy to be successful.
And you can be successful if you don’t have to build thousands of branches, and pay thousands of tellers. Actually, when M-PESA started, Kenya’s commercial banks implored the government to impose regulations to impede its development, but the government decided to take a hands-off approach, which is pretty unusual.
Bob Collymore: The most effective barrier for the success of mobile money around the world is the banking lobby. The banking lobby in most parts of the world is a very strong lobby. And banks have looked at what’s happened in Kenya and have decided that they don’t want to see that happening in their own countries.
Lesley Stahl: “Not in my backyard,”
Bob Collymore: Exactly. The banking regulators have been persuaded that this is a threat to the banking industry.
Lesley Stahl: And it is, isn’t it?
Bob Collymore: Well, you know, it’s– we live in a disruptive world. Uber came along and completely disrupted a number of things. Not just the taxi industry. Airbnb has come along and has disrupted. And so we are in a disruptive world. And we just need to–
Lesley Stahl: This is another one like that.
Bob Collymore: Yes, it is.
Lesley Stahl: It is.
Bob Collymore: It is.
Lesley Stahl: And so the banking industry isn’t crazy.
Bob Collymore: No. No.
M-PESA does have drawbacks: there’re real concerns of criminal enterprises, scams and money laundering. And while it has been introduced in other countries like India, Egypt, Afghanistan and Romania – it has stubbornly refused to catch on as it has in Kenya. But the head of Safaricom thinks it’s just a matter of time.
Bob Collymore: Because mobile phones are becoming so much more ubiquitous. Every adult in the world will have a mobile phone. And if you have that tool in your hands, imagine the things you can do.
We found among the Kenyans we met that M-PESA is igniting a real sense of patriotism. Just ask my cab driver Daniel.
Daniel: It is one of the best things that has happened to our country. But that makes you feel proud! And now you feel you are Kenyan!
Lesley Stahl: Yeah, you think of Kenya you don’t think of high-tech.
Daniel: “Innovation,” you know?
Lesley Stahl: Yea.
Daniel: That tells you now in the new world order anything is possible.”
Overview by Tim Sloane, VP, Payments Innovation
